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Poll: Should The State Require Ultrasounds Before Abortion?

Supporters say the bill is to inform; opponents say it is to shame. Where do you stand?


Women would be legally required to have an ultrasound before having an abortion under a bill pending in the General Assembly, the Providence Journal reports.

Doctors would be required to conduct an ultrasound and explain the images to a pregnant woman — including the dimensions of the fetus and any "external members and internal organs if present and viewable" — before performing an abortion, according to a bill filed by Rep. Karen L. MacBeth, D-Cumberland.

MacBeth said the proposal is intended to ensure women have access to all the information before finalizing their decision. But opponents of bill, including Planned Parenthood of Southern New England, say the law is meant to "shame" women to discourage abortion.

So what do you think? Should the state require women to have an ultrasound before an abortion?

Patrick Malone March 24, 2012 at 04:39 PM
LGS ... Do you honestly believe that a pregnant woman who wants an abortion DOES NOT KNOW that there a baby in there???
Mark Wyman March 24, 2012 at 05:57 PM
"How blessed will be the one who seizes and dashes your little ones against the rock," (Psalm 137:9).
ELM March 24, 2012 at 06:02 PM
I believe it is not a "fetus," just a group of cells at the beginning of a pregnancy! These STUPID ultrasound bills from you religious fanatics will not prevent abortions. They will just overwhelm the medical system and cost taxpayers money. This country faces much bigger issues that deserve your attention! Wake up! Can't you all see where the fanatics are leading us? We will have our own religious Taliban forcing their beliefs on us, we will lose the Medicare and Social Security that we need to survive our later years, the public education system will be destroyed, the environment will be destroyed while we protect the oil and gas industries and large corporations will be in charge of this country (oh, never mind, that's already happened) And all you little minds care about is FORCING women to have ultrasounds because some priest told you that life begins at conception. UNBELIEVABLE!!!
peggy March 24, 2012 at 06:42 PM
Feels like we are living in an insane asylum doesn't it? Up is down down is up.... Multinational banks and corporations privatizing profits and socializing losses.. and here we are picking each other apart. I read this quote from anonymous the other day, "we are all on the Hindenburg buddy, no use fighting over the window seat" I thought it was gloomy but funny:)
ELM March 24, 2012 at 07:09 PM
Oh yeah, and while you're at it, be sure to take away access to birth control because women need to have more children that they can't afford and the population, already getting unsustainable, needs to be increased. Yes, Peggy, we are all on the Hindenburg and too many people just refuse to see what's happening.
Meesh March 24, 2012 at 11:29 PM
Well said Peggy. It seems like if something makes sense, then the government does the exact opposite. It's just a ploy by the government to make us complacent and become sheep and dependent on them. They won't be happy until everyone is under government control. That's why nothing is done about entitlement programs.
peggy March 25, 2012 at 01:14 AM
Vedder, don't get me wrong, I firmly believe that we are only as strong as the the weakest among us; and that a great country is judged by how it treats it most vulnerable. The only "entitlements" I don't agree with are the ones given to multinational corporations..I am not against our social programs. Investing in ourselves is a win win.
Robert Trager March 26, 2012 at 04:26 AM
@peggy: You poor misguided soul; you just don't get it. No one is "ENTITLED" to anything, except life, liberty, and the "pursuit" of happiness. Happiness comes in many different forms. The taking, by force, from those who have and redistributing to those who don't have is, in a word, "UNAMERICAN". By the way, those who pursue happiness don't always find it. Do you suggest that we provide happiness?
mike westman March 26, 2012 at 06:38 PM
So you think.....did you ever realize that there are thinking people out there that find your dogmatic regurgitation offensive and that trying to shove it down our throats is tantamount to a talibanlike police state? Do what you wish and think what you want but get out of the reproduction business......leave the women alone. Make your own decisions. Not mine
mike westman March 26, 2012 at 06:40 PM
The fact that a Democratic woman has proffered this law is weird enough...that it is in New England makes me feel unsafe from the crazyrollers who will stop at nothing to try to make us think their way
mike westman March 26, 2012 at 06:41 PM
Viability is the thing here....the elderly are amongst us. Zygotes do not think and do not have an ability to live among us.
mike westman March 26, 2012 at 06:43 PM
Robert you poor misguided soul.....keeping the pathway clean is the responsibility of all of us. The greedy have a tendency to litter it with their debris with impunity
mike westman March 26, 2012 at 06:45 PM
Write, email or call your local representative and let them know that this is a law that would send us back generations, dis-empower women and make us look as loony as Arizona or Texas.
mike westman March 26, 2012 at 06:54 PM
I do not believe they consulted anybody in the medical world on this....the catholic church though.......
English first March 26, 2012 at 07:06 PM
After emailing Ms MacBeth on March 21st there has been no reply. I suppose she is busy running other women's lives. How have others fared when trying to contacting her or other representatives? Just asking........
Robert Trager March 26, 2012 at 07:46 PM
@Mike: It's always the same thing with "you people". There's a greedy something out there putting the screws to the disadvantaged. Wake up and smell the coffee. No one has a problem helping the truely disadvantaged. I do have a problem helping those that think that they are "entitled" to a share of someone else's hard work, simply by breathing. And I'll be happy to keep the pathway clean of illegals, freeloaders, criminals, and anyone who vocalizes their socialistic agenda.
nunya March 26, 2012 at 08:29 PM
LGS perhaps you should take a developmental biology course. Then you can see that no one considers a fetus in the 9th month of pregnancy a zygote. No one gets an abortion at nine months pregnant! There is a huge difference between a clump of cells and a fully formed baby.
David Bouchard March 27, 2012 at 12:56 AM
Abortion is never an easy thing to consider. To have to decide on whether or not to abort is never, I'm sure, a situation that anyone thinks they will find themselves faced with, yet, for many reasons, it happens. But this is a personal descion; it belongs only to the woman it affects; it is not for the government to decide, it is not for her family to decide, it is not for all those self-righteous bible-thumpers to decide - it is her decision and hers alone. You can be opposed to abortion, but you have no right to be opposed to a woman's right to choose for herself. If you want to really make a difference then you should promote sex education beginning at an early age. Get rid of the mythology and be real about sexuality, sex, family planning, contraception, STDs. Come out of the dark ages.
David Bouchard March 27, 2012 at 01:01 AM
Oh, one more thing. Next election cycle, get this MacBeth woman and all those like her out of government. Elect people who will respect the rights of individuals and not try to impose through legislation the whims of others on to society as a whole.
mike westman March 27, 2012 at 01:27 AM
Robert ...smell the coffee and realize that you are foisting your concepts of life and morality on everyone. The public organism you call government is meant to provide function and a safety net for the greater good of all....and I mean all of us. Just because you may have issues with certain parts of that net does not make your 'morally superior' attitude any less patronizing and culturally regressive than it really is. This is a society of all.,...not just those clever enough to capitalize on the benefits it provides.
peggy March 27, 2012 at 02:41 AM
YOU have the right to CHOOSE never to have an abortion. I am perfectly fine with that...Regarding your quoting my previous statement..I see no need to elaborate, it is pretty clear.
peggy March 27, 2012 at 03:10 AM
Oh Mr. Trager...really, must you be so coarse? Why I was just sharing my little socialist opinions, is all... Lets see, we have a police department, a fire department, ambulance, public schools..oh lets not forget the biggest of them all..our military, which we as a "society" pay for.. So these are all in fact "socialist" entities that have successfully served their purpose for years...but you sound like a smart man that already knew this mumbo jumbo...
peggy March 27, 2012 at 05:07 AM
And Mr. Trager, regarding what little social safety net there is in our fair country (differs from state to state)...I for one, am thankful that my kids can still walk the dog down our street, lined with one expensive house after another without having to hire a trained, armed security detail to avoid kidnapping. This is what happens when you cut social safety nets...see my belief in strong social safety nets has very little to do with altruism or the "Robin Hood" complex that conservatives seem to think we all have but with the preservation of our way of life, our standard of living. Now my intention is not to convince you that my point of view is correct, I just want to explain it.
Robert Trager March 27, 2012 at 11:54 AM
I don't think that I'm espousing any kind of morality. I didn't even mention abortion. I'm simply espousing the basic concepts of liberty and freedom.
English first March 27, 2012 at 12:58 PM
Remember I think Ms MacBeth is a Cumberland representative. You need to find out who votes with her from your area. You can contact her, however, and voice your opinion on this issue.
mike westman March 27, 2012 at 01:47 PM
Peggy..... reason is not their strong suit
mike westman March 27, 2012 at 01:50 PM
Vedder......there is a disconnect between the concept of govt. and that of mega corporate USA......the truth is that everywhere you go the megacorps are moving more and more into controlling everything....using the govt. as a surrogate. The real problem is that slime that would do this to us.
Ted Geisel March 27, 2012 at 03:01 PM
Yeah Mr. Trager, You forget that RI Public Schools are a model of efficiency. Or did you forget that just like you forgot about our military? Do I have to remind you how much better off you are now that there is democracy in Iraq? All this cheap gas and I'm told everyone loves us over there. We're at war in Afghanistan for people like you, not at all because the war is hugely profitable for the military industrial complex. I'm also grateful that my kids can walk down the street in their affluent neighborhood where almost no one at all uses social services. Remember, RI is home to some of the best politicians in the world and they know how to spend your money much better than you do!
peggy March 27, 2012 at 03:30 PM
Anonymous, I was explaining to Mr Trager, who can actually put a sentence together...see dear you've got to have full use of your faculties to have an exchange.
Innkeeper Seely March 27, 2012 at 05:29 PM
Mine, Mr. Sheehan, responded in less than 24 hours.

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