Woonsocket School Committee Chair: Actions Speak Louder Than Words
Anita McGuire-Forcier: Committee members playing political games Instead of working to fix school department budget.
A resolution to change our by-laws in order to oust the chairperson by a majority vote instead of a super majority clearly shows that we are witnessing a political game. This change will mean the school committee can play musical chairs. So, the chairperson and or vice-chairperson will need to go along to get along or they will be voted out. If a member wants to control the agenda, he/she doesn’t need to be the chairperson; all they need is two votes of support and put their ideas on the agenda in order to get their way. Why is this political power play necessary? It is not.
Let me remind everyone of what the Woonsocket Education Department has been faced with in 2012. Our finance department was completely in disarray. Nobody, not even our finance director or our superintendent knew what was going on. After our finance director was terminated, the extent of how bad it was soon became evident. We received notices from all our vendors that they would discontinue their services to our district if they were not paid immediately! The superintendent called Mr. Roberts and myself along with the union president Jeff Partington into her office to show us the letters of termination of services and told us that we would not be able to make payroll. Our primary focus had to be on the safety of our students. It was decided that we needed to let the public and state officials know how dire our financial situation was.
Schools providing out-of-district placements for our special needs students told us they would terminate services. The school department does not have the staff or programs these children need. Also, our district did not have enough subs to cover our classrooms and trying to assign subs without being able to pay them would be impossible. Our transportation services would be discontinued and we even faced the loss of electricity and oil to light and heat our schools.
It was decided to place closing of schools on the agenda to inform everyone of our desperate situation. This was a group decision, not just mine. I called every member of the school committee to inform them of our financial situation and the risk of discontinuation of services. A couple of members felt that we could place all the children in the cafeterias of each school with a couple of teachers supervising them. A ridiculous proposition, this action is simply unconstitutional and would be putting children’s safety and well-being in danger. But I must remember the members that proposed this do not have children in our schools.
By placing a resolution to close our schools on our agenda, we where able to get the attention of the Rhode Island Department of Education (RIDE) and they advanced us our state education aid and the city also advanced us more than $400,000. It worked, but only as a temporary solution.
Our superintendent decided to address our budget and district issues by using a zero base budget strategy. However, before she had time to complete this budget we were faced with the March deadline to give layoff notices to our teaching staff. In order to be sure that we did not end up with employees we no longer needed in the reorganization, we decided that it would be best to layoff all of the teachers. A special meeting took place on Feb. 22 to discuss this. Committeewoman Phongsavanh voted yes to layoff the entire teaching staff of the department.
Now we were faced with coming up with a balanced budget without a business manager.
The city charter demands that the school department provide the mayor with their budget estimate by March and we were now months behind. So, as chair of the school committee, in collaboration with the superintendent, the entire school committee reviewed the budget projections line by line. It took many hours over many days. The superintendent and her directors successfully dealt with an enormous challenge by analyzing accounts in great detail and providing the school committee with the answers we needed to provide the city with the best budget estimate possible under the circumstances. At the conclusion, the spending plan called for $69 million, including $2 million for deficit reduction, but not including our federal grants.
Following that effort, the majority of the school committee felt we needed more help. We then proposed a resolution on our agenda to ask the State to help by taking over local control as a temporary measure. Committeewoman Phongsavanh was the only one to vote no. She felt we should get ourselves out of this. Thankfully, she did not prevail and RIDE has come in to provide critically needed assistance. They are working hard to help put our budget together and have agreed to advance us our state education aid. Thank you, RIDE, for all your help.
So, while three members of our committee are busy playing political games trying to make a name for themselves, I along with Mr. Roberts, the Superintendent, RIDE, the Mayor, and City Council are busy doing our jobs.
Jerry
9:51 am on Wednesday, July 4, 2012
Forcier provides a pretty good explanation of what's being on in recent months.
What she fails to recognize or mention is that it is Donoyan who is orchestrating this coup d'etat.
Memere
9:39 am on Thursday, July 5, 2012
absolutely wrong!!!!!
John
9:48 am on Thursday, July 5, 2012
Memere, did you read the article with your good eye?
XBOXONE RULES
10:12 am on Wednesday, July 4, 2012
Jerry open your eyes and stop blaming one person, Ms.Forcier said it bes they worked together and the three stooges don't like it, By the way do you have proof that the superintendent is behind this or are you just making this up in your dillusional mind?
Jerry
11:59 am on Wednesday, July 4, 2012
Robert,
As a matter of fact, I do.
Come out of mom's basement, ask some questions, and you will too.
Chuck
1:18 pm on Wednesday, July 4, 2012
Bless your heart.
Carole
2:19 pm on Wednesday, July 4, 2012
I agree with you Jerry. Donolan certainly isn't the master mind behind this coup d'état.
John
5:37 pm on Wednesday, July 4, 2012
I'm anxious to see how Vimala is going to handle a 10 million dollar deficit and prevent future deficits "on her own" without talking about finances or making it a top priority.
Forcier is right. You don't have to be chairperson to place things on the agenda and if Vimala, Donlon or Nadeau felt strongly about another topic they should have requested it to be on the agenda and focused on that while the current chair focused on finances. You don't have to be chair to advance your agenda.
This sounds like Vimala just needs attention.
Still Hope
5:48 pm on Wednesday, July 4, 2012
Political games? This entire article is a political tattle tale. If you truly wish to remain the head of the school committee, you need to take responsibility for each and every decision and also learn how to sell your principles. If you cannot gather the other members to work together for the good of the people, then what good are you as chairperson?
In my opinion, anyone that feigns the shutting down of the education system, when their main function is to keep the system running, is a failure. Imagine going to a children's hospital and suggesting that we pull the plug on all the cancer patients because we are behind on the electricity bill. Failure is not an option. Take responsibility and GET THE JOB DONE or get out. Crying "political games" doesn't seem to be working out for the children or the tax payers.
Memere
9:42 am on Thursday, July 5, 2012
Bravo! It is Ms. McGuire-Forcier who proposed closing the schools in April. That is completely ILLEGAL! I completely agree with Still Hope.
John
9:51 am on Thursday, July 5, 2012
It was a group decision. They were able to get the help they needed. Should they have done nothing and put the students in danger? It is also ILLEGAL to run the schools with a deficit. Which law should they break!
John
6:05 pm on Wednesday, July 4, 2012
Still Hope, Does the truth hurt that much? Threatening to close down the schools seemed like a strategy that got the attention of the state and ultimately resulted in the advancement of much needed state aid.
Something our superintendent obviously couldn't get accomplished or didn't even try to do.
I watch the school committee meetings and I cannot understand how anyone could sell their principles to members of this committee who don't even understand what's being discussed and can't keep up with the conversation. How many times does something to be explained to Nadeau and Donlon before they understand.
It's the Superintendents responsibility to come before the entire committee with proposals and programs to ensure the students get a quality education. What has she proposed that would improve the quality of education in Woonsocket? Nothing!
russell archambault
7:13 pm on Wednesday, July 4, 2012
totally agree with the main function is to have the system running, what i see is that system being totally broken. a totally dysfunctional school committee and the top of the list on that note is the superintendent. so far i dont see anyone with any foresight on how to run anything. because they may not know how to. i went on line to see what the responsibilities are. and john is correct. the only thing that may work is taxpayers in strength going before them all putting pressure and demanding these "children" get their act together. or they will be all gone ! SCHOOL OFFICIALS EACH AND EVERYONE OF YOU ARE FAILING YOUR LITTLE CHILDREN. start proposing real concrete objectives, or just play in your yard and let RIDE do the work and you guys can all claim victory.
XBOXONE RULES
8:01 pm on Wednesday, July 4, 2012
Does anyone know where most of the city's budget money goes to?
Susan Pawlina
4:52 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
Not to the Schools!
russell archambault
9:02 pm on Wednesday, July 4, 2012
about 60% goes to operate schools. looks like we may have 129 million budget and about 70 million will go for school. i believe there will be about 7 million shortfal from the city. also federal money comes in through the state. i wonder who our federal grant writer is for the city. there are many grants available from the feds. but have to apply for them. if someone would be more knowledgeable on this subject please add to post.
XBOXONE RULES
8:47 am on Thursday, July 5, 2012
only 62 million will go to schools and i believe the state also contirbute quite a bit not just the city
XBOXONE RULES
8:45 am on Thursday, July 5, 2012
i believe it's the fianance director
John
9:11 am on Thursday, July 5, 2012
The city has a 122 million dollar budget and 13 million of that goes to the school system not 60 or 70 million. The remaining funds for the school system come from federal and state funds.
russell archambault
5:34 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
Im glad that this editorial came up again today from a reader posting. john you are absolutely correct in your statement about funding, thanks. i did some digging and believe that it cost the city about 2,000.00 per student, to get a minimum education.some special ed students for some reason get alot more education than regular students and cost far more to educate. we must have them in school, in some cases till they are 21 years old. also another interesting fact the schools are owned by the city, but the school dept. pays for capital improvments, sewer use, water use, and a bit of other things, on their own. an improvement to better serve the tax payer would be to separate the school system one strictly to educate and another division to operate. we are asking board members with perhaps little knowledge on how to accomplish repairing, maintaining buildings.dont think it should be on their shoulders. i now understand a little more of each role in the system. we as tax payers should be knowledgeable about certain little talked about problems. also absolute key possitions should be filled by absolute qualified people. memere you are absolutely correct about the superintendant. and i have been totally incorrect, in some of postings. im going to dig more and learn more facts.
Memere
9:56 am on Thursday, July 5, 2012
Do any of you realize how ridiculous you all sound blaming the Superintendent for this mess. First you blamed Dr. Gerardi and now Dr. Donoyan. Both of these people came into to city AFTER the school department was in a deficit. And both of this people have rules to follow from RIDE and mandates that must be fulfilled or state and federal funding will be terminated. Neither of these Superintendents is responsible for the deficit because they do not provide funding for our schools.
XBOXONE RULES
7:44 pm on Thursday, July 5, 2012
Memere i wasn't blaming the superintedent other people were
Memere
10:02 am on Thursday, July 5, 2012
continued
The city provides funding for our schools and our schools have been underfunded for a very long time. I realize that the city has probably done all that it could to fund our schools, but we have known for a very long time that more money was needed. Why has the City of Woonsocket not been petitioning - perhaps demanding? -the state for more money for our schools. Our state reps could have been doing more perhaps. After all, we elected them to represent our city at the State House.Surely something could have been done.
Still Hope
4:21 pm on Thursday, July 5, 2012
Agreed. There is a laundry list of people that have failed in their duties. From Carcieri cutting funding, the reps not securing funding, Gerardi and Busby for failure to keep the books, Donoyan for talking in circles and dropping the ball, school committee with their inability to work together or even find common ground. Dubois, nuff said.
But most of all, I put Mayor Leo in the driver's seat. He's the man with the connection to everyone mentioned above. He's the commander-in-chief and he needs to get the people that are put in their positions to get the job done, regardless of political motives. You walk up to Baldelli-Hunt, knock on her door and say "My city needs the money and resources it deserves. Lisa, if you can't represent the people in your district and do them right, then get someone that can."
Man up, Mayor.
David T
2:01 pm on Sunday, July 29, 2012
Bravo Memere! I couldn't have said it better myself. The more people of this city understand this the quicker we will get our reps on board with action they should have been pursuing all along.
Memere
11:08 am on Thursday, July 5, 2012
Everyone applauded No Child Left Behind - put forth by both the Democrats and the Republicans - and Commissioner Gist's new programs. While all of these mandated programs are wonderful for the education of our children, these programs also come with a very high price tag. Have we received extra funding both from the state and from the Feds to fund these programs? I do not believe that we did. The Feds are busy funding schools all over the world, but I believe that our own little state and consequently our city have been forgotten. And we are left to foot the bill. Where are our politicians - both on the state level and on the federal level - in all this? It is time that they step up to the plate and help us -NOW!
russell archambault
2:44 pm on Sunday, July 29, 2012
Leaving no child behind, is a cute phrase.The problem is the system forces to push the child ahead without a proper education.Beleive it or not i wouldnt blame the teachers. Try looking at who,s fault it really is. If a child cant read or write properly or do simple math or simple other task, try asking how long the mother or father,if you can find him, how long they spend with the child after school, encouraging their child to do their homework and the importance of it.
John
12:46 pm on Thursday, July 5, 2012
Well Said Memere, That's why we should vote for Chris Roberts for Representative this fall.
John
12:54 pm on Thursday, July 5, 2012
I noticed my post regarding Vimala's WISE committee was removed so I'll reword it.
Vimala speaks at length about transparency but her first WISE committee meeting is being held at Superintendent Donoyan's house.
Shouldn't the public be able to attend these meetings even if it's only to observe and hear what they are discussing in regards to our PUBLIC schools?
Still Hope
4:30 pm on Thursday, July 5, 2012
It almost seems like you have a personal vendetta on these two or at least some blind contempt. Do you really need to sit and watch them pour over hundreds of spreadsheet pages and pick apart the future budget? I applaud them for putting in the time. Maybe when they come to the committee meetings they will have more to contribute instead of a bunch of "i don't knows".
English first
1:56 pm on Thursday, July 5, 2012
http://www.woonsocketschools.com/admin.asp look also at the vacancies
russell archambault
4:00 pm on Thursday, July 5, 2012
thanks english. as patch patriots we should also ask what grants has come in to the city. WOW that meeting just reeks something underhanded. my first thought is donoyan is looking for friends. since when does the superintendent have a cocktail party for the school committee. as far as im concerned this is totally unethical. the arrogance of this woman, donoyan has no boundaries.
English first
4:30 pm on Thursday, July 5, 2012
Russell. Do you know there is a shift key for capitals? Just try it once or twice.
Steve
6:53 pm on Thursday, July 5, 2012
Oh oh, Russell, watch out, you may get put on the Patch probation list for not using proper punctuation! No soup for you!!!!! Ah, ha, ha, ha, there Ef, just can't resist it can ya?
russell archambault
7:43 pm on Thursday, July 5, 2012
Ok I Will Try To Do Better In The Future.Wow Im Getting The Hang Of This. How Am I Doing English !!!
XBOXONE RULES
7:46 pm on Thursday, July 5, 2012
Steve i sincerely appreciate that letter you wrote (by the way it was my grandfather that passed)THANK YOU
English first
8:34 pm on Thursday, July 5, 2012
Steve. You are correct. I cannot resist, although I have been less noisy about it lately. Russell, you need a question mark at the end of your post. I found something called Grammarly.com that can help us all.
Jerry
5:07 pm on Thursday, July 5, 2012
I blame our useless reps for never sticking up for Woonsocket and fighting for us. Our reps know that the state needs to give us more money, but where are they?? Too busy doing errands? If they don't want to represent us, then stop giving us the "bull" at election time what you intend to do !! They think once their in...their in for good. I would like to know exactly what each rep has done for Woonsocket for the past 6 years. Kudos to Anita McGuire for sticking to her guns. They should of closed the schools down and let the state finally take over, because the WED doesn't know how to stick to a budget. Facts have proven that.
XBOXONE RULES
7:47 pm on Thursday, July 5, 2012
I agree jerry lets get rid of them i'm voting for Mr.Roberts for general assembly
russell archambault
8:59 am on Friday, July 6, 2012
English; Got ya! Don't believe i needed a ? mark after that sentence. In my opinion it was structured as a "rhetorical" question. Please advise.
English first
9:30 am on Friday, July 6, 2012
Here are some facts Russell. Thanks for helping educate the public. I thought you were asking a question about your improvement using capital letters.
rhetorical questions are commonly used in speech and in informal kinds of writing (such as advertisements). Rhetorical questions rarely appear in academic discourse.
A rhetorical question is a figure of speech in the form of a question that is asked in order to make a point and without the expectation of a reply.[1] The question is used as a rhetorical device, posed for the sake of encouraging its listener to consider a message or viewpoint. Though these are technically questions, they do not always require a question mark.
A form of rhetoric, rhetorical ' describes a statement or word asked merely for effect with no answer expected
Examples;
Is the Pope Catholic? Do bears live in the woods?
"Isn't it a bit unnerving that doctors call what they do 'practice'?" (George Carlin)
If a pig loses its voice, is it disgruntled?
How come no one ever says, "It's only a game" when their team is winning?
Steve
7:21 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
Woonsocket patch, where the uneducated pontificate.
Nancy
8:24 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
That is an Understatement - WOW - but certainly the truth. Everyone puts their spin on things and do not really understand what the issues really are!!
Steve
8:55 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
Wow, "Pontificate" must have taken you all weekend to come up with that one huh?
XBOXONE RULES
10:50 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
led by steve lol
Pontiff of Patch
10:47 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
Patch poster's pontificating produces presumptuous predictions polluting pristine public property
Sly
1:35 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
How can anyone keep blaming the Sate,You people need to get a job and quit thinking.If anyone 1 of you have a job and your boss calls you in and tells you your getting a paycut what do you do? CUT YOUR EXPENSES.no brainer right,not here though.this is Woonsocket and some people could not run a zoo.School Com. goes along with the Mayor and Council Prez.You all can't be as dumb as you sound.
russell archambault
2:03 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
sly i agree with you.this is not only the states fault. mostly the city's. also people needing to stop thinking they are worth more than they actually are. fair wages for work. its gotten way out of hand. i do think that the mayor and council president have the fortitude to do a good job, they just can't handle what we are demanding that easily. i would not handle negotiations in the manor that they are, but im realizing my way would not work, due to laws, contracts. we can only hope!
russell archambault
2:07 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
school committee is another story than the city's side. we are in big trouble here. I hear of tremendous waste going on, from people within! too afraid to say anything fearing for their exposure!
Sly
2:26 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
Russell,agree with you all the way.Its to bad the word bullying is also part of the equation.Unions will do that to there own people.Whoever knows more should pull the plug and say what the waste is.Forcier Knows along with the mayor and Prez.Its to bad there playing the game of political bull.They rather hurt all of us instead of themselves.Pity on them,Forcier couldn't even answer a questionj that J.Dionne posed on Friday.What a waste they are.We should band together and start a petition to oust them all and deliver that to the State.
John
4:11 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
Sly, I don't what you were listening to on Friday. Forcier put Dionne in his place, he was stuttering and didn't know what to say. After Forcier hung up there was complete silence and Dionne never came back on to close out his show.
She pointed out many of his convenient memory issues and his lack of truth on the topics.
Sly
4:21 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
John,I was listening to the Dionne show.Forcier didn't put anyone in THERE place.She didn't have any answers to anything. That's why we are where we are.Nice show though.Truth haha what's that, no one Knows the truth if it bit him.Waste,waste,waste, So bye bye to all the leaders in the next election.Go play golf.
John
4:33 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
By your post it sounds like you could use an education. Try mount
John
10:24 am on Thursday, July 12, 2012
TRUTH!!!!!!! YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!!!!
russell archambault
4:23 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
watched a news program last week about public unions, bullying the entire country for their survival. its unfortunate their rank and file dont petition the unions in their area. there are many good people in unions that are there because they dont have a choice. dont know if any kind of petition could do anything. one thing would work, if we email our state officials. but in any election its a toss up on the percentages on officials to win. look at the obama, romney circus, that stupid election will probably be won by 1 or 2 % points. unfortunately we are divided on eveything.
russell archambault
5:09 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
NANCY i would like to here your point on what you feel the issues are.
Susan Pawlina
5:34 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
I wonder why the superintendent would call in the Chairwoman and Mr. Roberts who has not even served a full year on the school committee and not the Vice Chair? Also, If I remember correctly it was the Chairwoman who first brought about placeing the "children" in the cafeteria as a way to save money on subs. based on a newspaper report that other schools where doing it and she dose have children! So I dont get her point is it that its O.K to take this stance if you have children and its not O.K if you dont ? Am I missing something?
John
10:01 am on Thursday, July 12, 2012
Susan, The Superintendent called in the two members of the School Committee that are assigned to the Finance Sub-Committee. Each School Committee member is assigned to different Sub-Committees, it doesn't matter if you are Chair or Vice-Chair.
If you remember Forcier had mentioned that Cumberland was going to try it but that was only on a day to day basis for lack of subs not as a permanent solution for out of district needs children as other School Committee members were recommending.
Are you missing something? Yes, The truth!
Susan Pawlina
4:15 pm on Thursday, July 12, 2012
"John" sorry if my comments offend you! I find that truth and politicans are seldom in the same room so please excuse my skepticism.
John
5:12 pm on Thursday, July 12, 2012
Susan, It's not your comments that offend me. It's your willingness to share your distorted view of the facts.
Susan Pawlina
3:24 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012
"John" My willingness to share my distorted view of the facts,Really!!!!!!! are we not allowed to ask questions? Sonds like a politician to me. BTW welcome to the patch .
Sly
10:58 am on Thursday, July 12, 2012
John,I can handle the truth.Its liars I can't handle.By the sound of your postings its you that evidently did not get an education.Try Holy Family Girls National School.
I bet you even have to look it up to find where it is.Have a pleasent day.
John
1:43 pm on Thursday, July 12, 2012
Sly, Learn how to put a complete sentence together then we'll talk!!
Sly
1:52 pm on Thursday, July 12, 2012
John is that all you got,wow.!! You really need to look into the above mentioned school.Your wasting my time.