Budget Commission Sends Homestead Reduction - Car Tax Combo To General Assembly
One-time vehicle tax will raise $500K, Homestead drop will raise $2 million.
The Woonsocket Budget Commission voted yesterday to add $2.5 million to this year's tax levy with a one-time supplemental tax bill on vehicles at about 6.2 percent of 2012's bill and shrinking the Homestead Exemption permanently to 29.9 percent.
The Commission voted to approve the new tax bills at about 4 p.m. in Harris Hall at City Hall.
State law doesn't allow the city to keep the vehicle tax that high perpetually, so subsequent years will raise the entire extra $2.5 million annually needed to balance the city's books entirely from lowering the Homestead Exemption, this time to 27.5 percent.
The move is a combination of elements of several options outlined by Tax Assessor Chris Celeste during the last Budget Commission meeting, tweaking the homestead reduction from option B3 and the car excise tax idea from option A2.
Supplemental tax bills sent this year will be between 6 and 6.5 percent of last year's bill for vehicle taxes. Celeste said the bill on a car valued at $15,000 would be $40.
Celeste noted that supplemental bills on vehicles have a low collection rate, but Mayor Leo Fontaine said the city will catch up with delinquent vehicle owners in November at the Registry of Motor Vehicles.
Fontaine said the supplemental car tax would involve people who don't own homes in the solution of the city's deficit. He said it's unfortunate the tax has to fall back on residential property owners after this year. "I feel at least we should be doing this," Fontaine said.
The supplemental tax bill for the average residential home at $150,000 will be about $437, Celeste said.
Sending out each round of supplemental tax bills requires General Assembly approval, since it will raise taxes above the four percent cap this year. The Budget Commission will send a resolution asking for permission to assess the bills to the General Assembly.
The Budget Commission will also send enabling legislation to create an elderly tax exemption for people 65 and over living in single family homes. Budget Commission member and City Council President John Ward said the exemption would apply to people meeting the age requirement, who have lived in their home for at least 5 years and make $30,000 or less.
If a senior meets all those requirements, the first $12,000 worth of their home would be exempt from taxes, Ward said. He said the Commission will likely add multi-family homes to the exemption, since there are many elderly residents who've been living in such homes all their lives. City Council Vice President Dan Gendron made the suggestion during the meeting.
The supplemental tax bill is one part of the 5-year plan to make the city solvent again. It will need to pass at the General Assembly, as will concessions from town employees and retirees.
regretful homeowner
9:03 am on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
So since I am getting screwed for being a homeowner I DON'T have to pay this additional excise tax? Oh I do?? I thought so. Thanks Fontaine, that's "the least you could do".
Woon Taxpayer
1:01 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013
CVS won't be paying - the BAnks won't be paying, the Real Estate companies won't be paying, the Holiday Inn won't be paying, and on and on...
YOU are paying for them! Your Mayor and Council felt it was OK for you to pay for them
Monkeyshines
9:03 am on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
Once again, the only positive influence in this entitlement program driven city are being forced to support the parasitic members of Woonsocket. Thank God the landowners are their to support a city filled with free food, free housing, free education, free public service, free child care, free money, free medical, etc. for those deemed to important to work, but consider wonderful breeding stock (obviously seen in the size of the huge non-working families in our city).
Woon Taxpayer
1:01 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013
You my friend speak the truth. And if you look beyond this pitiful City, the State and the National govenment are the same.
*You didn't mention (in your etceteras) free cell phones, free transportation...
CB11
9:31 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013
...but their acrylic nails are beautiful, not to mention the artwork in their tattoos .....
jason
9:03 am on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
shouldnt we see what the unions do about conssesions first before we get taxed up the butt!! if the unions say no whats next? i have an idea why dosent the city just send all the property owners in the city the general bank account mnumber and everyone that works for a living just have thier pay check direct deposited right into that account and if thier is anything left after the city pays the union crap and gives all the people that dont pay any taxes (thats 30,000 out of about 42,000) thier cut maybe the city will find it in thier heart to give alittle back to us!!!
Lotus Lily
3:42 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
And of that 30,000 you so claim where are they to find jobs in a city that has nothing to offer????? Your choices retail (which is hardly ever hiring and doing more firing I would know I work in the industry), or resturant work! The problem is there are too many people in this one stinking city and not enough jobs and not enough people having incomes high enough to get a running vehicle to go into MA to get the better paying jobs! Before you start bagging on those who need social services take a look at the much bigger picture here, which is our politicians and the corruption have bled this city and state dry and until we get real jobs coming back to the area Woonsocket's future will remain the same bleak and hopeless!!!!! As well a good portion of that 30,000 that you talk about is our Senior Citizen population which makes up if I had to make a ballpark figure I'd say about 75% of our residency! They've busted their butts, fought our wars, and paid their dues already! Are there people who abuse the system YES but not everyone, our politicians are the one's bleeding us dry along with the damn unions and all the corruption! Get rid of that, get a receiver in here, and then the people need to use their brains to vote the right people in not just those who pan handle to the elderly and special interest!
Monkeyshines
5:05 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
Yeah, Lily is right! The jobs that are available are just beneath us! I will only go to work for the right amount of money! And, until the job I deserve (with commensurate pay) comes our way we should just stay home and leech off the hard working tax paying citizen! Oh, and while we're it, we should BREED like crazy; hell, the more kids we have the more money the taxpayers give us!!! VIVA WOONSOCKET!!!
CB11
9:31 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013
The Unions take concessions ....ha!ha!ha!
Jason, you are one funny guy! Thanks for the best laugh I've had all morning!
Nelson Aldrich
9:03 am on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
It's always a good idea to buy a good quality used car or truck.Pay attention to reliabilty and year of manufacture should not be too much of a concern as long as the mileage isn't too high.
Don't try to keep up with the Joneses.that's for suckers.The same goes for Real Estate...prioritize with an eye towards functionality,not cosmetics.The above article confirms this.
Woon Taxpayer
1:01 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013
The solution is to register your car or truck out of sate (some relative's address), and let them try to catch you... there isn't anything they (the city) can do, since 'they have to prove' you actually live in the city for more than 183 days/year
Paradis
9:03 am on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
TO ALL UNFAIRLY TARGETED BY THIS OUTRAGEOUS MONSTROSITY:
CALL, EMAIL AND SNAIL MAIL THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY MEMBERS.
DO IT NOW if you haven't already!!!
PROTEST, SPEAK AT THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING OR GIVE WRITTEN TESTIMONY.
Yvette M Ayotte
7:53 am on Friday, March 1, 2013
I second that, Paradis!!!
Jay
3:42 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
Awesome! More taxes and no services in return. Mr. Mayor, I have a 5 year plan too! In 5 years I will have equity (even in these grim economic conditions) and I will say good bye to Woonsocket. No incentive to live here as a homeowner at all. I hope many homeowners do the same.
Lotus Lily
3:42 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
Personally if it were up to me I would put us into receivership, apply for bankruptcy, and get all the same old politicians we've had in office, some for decades it feels, and just start over! It's obvious we can't trust our politicians, the school department, or any other city department for that matter to effectively run themselves! Take away their power and corruption and get someone in here to truly fix the mess we are in not just our old time politicians doing same old some old junk that's not going to help but only further hurt the city! LOOK AT HOW MANY PEOPLE AND BUSINESS ARE MOVING AWAY FROM THIS CITY, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCILORS THIS SHOULD BE TELLING YOU SOMETHING!!!!!!
Woon Taxpayer
1:01 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013
We all must like it (getting screwed) because we keep electing them! WHen will we finally get and when will we remember which elected official voted in favor of these increases and vote them OUT
Doctor
3:42 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
One-time vehicle tax will raise $500K. Change that to, will anticipate a raise of $500K if everybody pays it. Good Luck achieving that.
Monkeyshines
5:05 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money...
Meesh
1:01 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013
Exactly!
Woon Taxpayer
1:01 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013
At least Obama wants to keep taxing the rich! In Woonsocket, your Mayor and City Council want to exempt the rich (Commercial)
Lotus Lily
1:01 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013
Monkeyshines obviously you have missed my point it's not that people don't want to work there's just no jobs here this city's turning into a ghost town and our politicians don't even care because they are still getting theirs! My whole point was we need to bring jobs to this area instead of them leaving because this city sucks and is so corrupt!!!!!!!
Woon Taxpayer
1:01 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013
I want to know who voted to NOT include Commercial properties in the extra tax(?) Fontaine? Ward?
Did any Council members speak out on this?
I say lobby the State Reps to not support this!
Rob Borkowski
1:10 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013
That was covered in my story on last week's meeting: http://woonsocket.patch.com/articles/budget-commission-tables-supplemental-tax-vote-till-tuesday
First, the governmental body in question is the Budget Commission, not the City Council - the Commission was appointed last spring by the Governor and their calls supersede the City Council's on all financial matters.
Now that we're talking apples and apples — Budget Commission member Peder Schaefer took credit/leadership on that one. The rest of the Commission followed his lead.
Short answer: The entire Budget Commission.
Paradis
1:18 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013
As Rob pointed out, the city council didn't vote on this; however, Mayor Leo Fontaine and Council President John Ward are on the Budget Committee that voted to send this on to the Senate.
robbie
1:01 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013
ok who can give me the assembly email addy ......................so many of the people of woonsocket can tell them enough is enough. not only are companies leaving the city but the homeowners are as well........when the market goes up i will also be leaving and moving to mass.keep it up soon you will have nothing but a ghost town here in woonsocket then who will pay the tax.
Rob Borkowski
1:28 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013
The numbers for the House Leadership: http://www.rilin.state.ri.us/Pages/HouseLeadership.aspx
The numbers for the Senate Leadership: http://www.rilin.state.ri.us/Pages/SenateLeadership.aspx
Or, more locally:
Rep-casey@rilin.state.us
Rep-baldellihunt@rilin.state.us
Rep-phillips@rilin.state.us
Sen-cote@rilin.state.us
Sen-picard@rilin.state.us
(I was strongly tempted to direct you to http://lmgtfy.com/)
David T
1:01 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013
This proposal should include all property owners and businesses including the multi-familys, apartment complexes and condos. And if the mayor wants to include car owners it should just be for those who live in non-taxable dwellings. This was supposed to be shared sacrifice, remember last year? The unions workers and pensioners will hopefully do their part and then the rest of us have to do our part.
I'm sorry to predict that the GA will vote no on this. It puts too much of the burden on single family home owners under, which is not fair.
Monkeyshines
9:31 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013
1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation
Kyle
1:18 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013
I think we blame each other too much while the real problem in the first place was the over spending of the city officials. They should reduce their spending by doing less of what they are doing because what they are doing isn't working out. Should be like a car, the less you move, the less gas you consume, the less money it takes to fill up. Let's just stop blaming ourselves for something we didn't do.
Also, I am confused about people talking about freeloaders in the city. Aren't they funded by the federal government and not the city?
Lotus Lily
11:32 am on Saturday, March 23, 2013
Agreed, if anything it makes me wonder why on both local and federal level why none of those in power are willing to take pay cuts and make concessions like maybe paying more for the nice government sponsored health care!?!? Kyle is right instead of attacking each other we should be looking at our elected leaders who have gotten us into this mess in the first place, including the school department! I have to travel for my job and no matter where I go I always here the same things, "You're based in RI poor you they are the most corrupt state in all of the 50 states", or "Man I'm sorry you live in a state where politicians always put themselves above those they serve." And I get this no matter where in the country I go, which is why I am going to be so glad when I get to leave this rat hole city and state and move on to greener pastures! You know where there are actual jobs and not so rampant widespread tolerated corruption and live in a community that cares about ALL it's people not just some! And Kyle to answer your question yes the federal government does fund these programs but it's up to each state individually as to how the money is spent and the programs are run and with a corrupt as hell city like ours that was a disaster waiting to happen! I so hope I won't even have to be here for the next elections because nothing's going to change and this city will slowly suck the life out of everyone! Adios Rhode Island and Woonsocket in particular!
Nick
7:53 am on Friday, March 1, 2013
Have you really looked at your taxes lately? I did. Regardless of the fact that my property value has decrease 46% in the last 6 years, my tax has risen 51%.
It’s been mentioned they have a cap of 4%. That’s BS. Last year my tax went up 13.55% without any general assembly modification.
Keeping the tax rate the same and just modifying the exemption from .39 to .29 my taxes will go up $588. Now they want an addition 5%? ( $175). Knowing these greedy little pigs you can expect the tax rate to change 4% on top of that without the general assembly’s approval ($140), now we’re up $904.
They need to put their cards on the table.
Want a solution, stop funding the school department that can’t live within their budget or get the state to kick in for the people not paying taxes.
Year Property Value Tax charged % increase in tax
2005 $2,327
2006 $261,200 $2,429 4.39%
2007 $261,200 $2,523 3.87%
2008 $261,200 $2,592 2.72%
2009 $212,600 $2,757 6.38%
2010 $212,600 $2,914 5.68%
2011 $212,600 $3,095 6.22%
2012 $178,600 $3,515 13.55%
2013 $178,600 $4,279 21.75% Projected
Find anyone’s taxes in Woonsocket at http://www.ci.woonsocket.ri.us/assessor.htm
You’ll see the same results.
Nick
7:53 am on Friday, March 1, 2013
OK so now the city has posted the meeting minutes at http://www.ci.woonsocket.ri.us/budget.htm
It's pretty clear they want to raise 2.5 million dollars using both the single family homeowner/condominiums and the motor vehicle owners the first year. Then they eliminate the motor vehicle owners from the equation and use just the homeowners. The tax is permanent. The legislation also opens the door to eliminate the exemption entirely. So if 39% to 29% raises 2.5 million what does 29%-0 raise? They will not need the general assembly after this legislation goes through.
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Jerry
7:53 am on Friday, March 1, 2013
In order for our present politicians not to be re-elected, they have to stop giving the high rises, (senior citizens, "good meals". Let's face it, that's where most of our voters come from. I think taxpayers should make the effort to go visit them and tell them the truth and what's really going on, when the time comes. Maybe if we all show them our bills that we all struggle with, they just might actually feel bad.
CB11
10:35 am on Friday, March 1, 2013
So true - I have relatives who live there and whenever elections come around, they equate who they are voting for, not with the politician's views, but with the meal they were given during his/her campaign! "I'm voting for David Cicillini - he gave us a real good chicken dinner!" Talk about preying on the elderly!
Jerry
7:53 am on Friday, March 1, 2013
I think all of Woonsocket's "scum" would leave Woonsocket if all welfare recipients were required to be drug tested before they were allowed housing. That would weed out about 65%. Wouldn't that be something if our "reps" would put in that kind of legislation? But no, they need their votes !!
CB11
10:35 am on Friday, March 1, 2013
But Jerry ... that's not fair! Only those who WORK for a living should be subjected to that!
I have never understood the reasoning behind not drug testing those who CHOOSE to accept government aid. We care so much "about the children" but see no reason to make sure those taking care of them aren't hopped up on coke or meth! What hypocrisy!
The Chorus
12:25 pm on Friday, March 1, 2013
Federal courts have struck down drug testing for people on public assistance. I think AZ and FL have passed such laws...both overturned on appeal at federal level.
XBOXONE RULES
5:00 am on Saturday, March 23, 2013
some of those scum could be homeowners and the majority of food stamp recipients in this city are white.
Nelson Aldrich
10:35 am on Friday, March 1, 2013
Woonsocket's bankrupt...just remember everybody,receiver or no receiver,the City's creditors are getting paid 100 cents on the dollar plus interest (TAX FREE).You can thank your reps for that,it's called the Fiscal Stability Act of 2010 and it makes sure that bondholders get paid first.
I've never heard of a "bankruptcy" that doesn't include creditors and just because Woonsocket is a municipality shouldn't make it exempt.The City needs a fresh start and that can only be achieved through some form of debt relief,amongst other things.
There's a big piece of the puzzle missing folks.Don't worry about bond ratings either,Woonsocket's credit stinks.
Monkeyshines
1:42 pm on Saturday, March 23, 2013
Who is John Galt?